During the previous post that I wrote I received a commentary from a respected recruiter touch base with me and gave me some insite into his day. I was quite taken by it and respected his reply.
My points that I made from the previous post was simply points made from my point of view but definitely had no meaning of showing disrespect for the field of discussion. And by no means was it meant to lash out at any particular person or their trade. I have no doubt as in any professional career recuiters do have their downsides, things that create bottleneck, areas that causes problems, etc. I appreciate the caos that was explained and would never challenge anyone in such a profession.
After reading his forum toward a recent posting he place to attract candidates he indicated that during this posting he recieved 72 applicants that applied in which they all thought they were qualified. After reviewing comments I wanted to make sure I wasn't misinterpreting people but that I didn't think people were complaining about themselves sending off CV's and getting no reply. I believed it's when hopes are built up by those that pose as the ultimate professional and call potential candidates, set appts with potential, list fake jobs to build their databases, don't know exactly the lingo to discuss the job they're representing and now have a list of people they're trying to shortlist and yet those people they've called get no response. I think that's what gives the position a bad name. You've made connection, you discussed the possibilities, you've offered to submit, but there's no follow-through. People are waiting in limbo, why did they call me, what can I expect, should I move on, take the next job that's being offered and if this person calls back tell them "sorry but no thanks"? Then ultimately the shoe is on the other foot, you're aggreviated, went through all that to hear "sorry but no thanks, couldn't sit around waiting, moved on".
Personnally which I might have never stated, I don't wait around for anyone to fulfill my destiny. I do think a lot of job seekers depend way to much on others to fulfill their needs and accept the lazy attitude of if they want me they'll call me. I've felt that way many a mornings I've woke. If I send something in or get a call, I talk to the individual or reply to their emails, etc. as requested. I give myself a set time frame for a response. If I get no response that's fine and dandy with me. My time is just as valuable. Just as jobseekers don't pay the recruiter, recuiters don't put food on my table and pay my bills so I have to keep business going by continuing my search. And we all know it's a full time job searching. There's always a disappointment and a wonder why, but I don't expect anyone to owe me anything. I take my lumbs, and simply think, "your loss" haha and move on. I keep looking and searching if one of those comes around that calls me I worry about it when the time comes.
Friday, April 30, 2010
Professionalism
During a discussion I received comments on never ignore recruiters and how job-seekers should screen them just as they screen job-seekers. This may be true in some aspects but it's simple to say most people who are in a professional job as a professional does their work professionally meaning you put your faith in professionals to steer you in the right direction during initial contact. We contine talking about communication.
People put their faith in professionals and look for what one could call guidance. What do I do now that I've been contacted, interviewed by phone, and even face to face, do I sit and wait, continue my search, etc. Imagine for a moment if you were a CEO of a professional firm and a client of yours calls you with information or a suggestion about something that could benefit you or your company whether they are a high money client or simply one you've been trying to lock into for a while. Do you as a CEO simply ignore them because they're one of 100 clients so they're no more valuable than any of the other 99? That one client can make you or break you and might be sitting there waiting to see what you're going to do before before giving you their business rocketing you to the place you've always dreamed of being. Wouldn't you have your EA contact them and make an arrangement to be back in touch with them at some point? Maybe by letter, phone, email or any other medium that surfices. It's simply called, integrity, character, professionalism.
The statement about job-seekers should screen recruiters as they screen you. That's not always possible when they're calling you making you the offer. What do you tell them, give me information on you before this goes any farther? If I like what I hear, I'll do a background check on you and if everything is in order you can call me back in a week to further continue with this phone interview or face to face. I don't think it works that way. As professional job-seekers looking to move toward the next career above unemployment job-seekers are left at the mercy of what would appear and thought of as professionals. They are getting paid to be professionals. Job-seekers are the end product. Do you walk in a department store and pick something up and drop it and break it and walk off and not say anything about it? If you have integrity, and character you follow through and you take your lumps and step up and say oh I dropped it and broke it. You don't sweep things under the rug for convenience or because you are simply to busy hoping no one bothers you.
As disgusting as the job interview I went on earlier in the week and by all means I should have stated to the interviewee that he was simply off his rocker if he thought I would work for what he offered. Being a professional person that I am I thought about everything and took the time to reply to him and state I thanked him for his time and consideration but at this time I didn't feel I was a good fit for what he was offering. It never hurts to make connections and leave connections with your a professional image of ones self. Besides I have integrity, I have character and yes I'm busy also as my time is quite valuable to me, but who knows one day in the distant future I may happen upon this person and they might be my treasures I've been hoping to find. If not what did I actually lose?
People put their faith in professionals and look for what one could call guidance. What do I do now that I've been contacted, interviewed by phone, and even face to face, do I sit and wait, continue my search, etc. Imagine for a moment if you were a CEO of a professional firm and a client of yours calls you with information or a suggestion about something that could benefit you or your company whether they are a high money client or simply one you've been trying to lock into for a while. Do you as a CEO simply ignore them because they're one of 100 clients so they're no more valuable than any of the other 99? That one client can make you or break you and might be sitting there waiting to see what you're going to do before before giving you their business rocketing you to the place you've always dreamed of being. Wouldn't you have your EA contact them and make an arrangement to be back in touch with them at some point? Maybe by letter, phone, email or any other medium that surfices. It's simply called, integrity, character, professionalism.
The statement about job-seekers should screen recruiters as they screen you. That's not always possible when they're calling you making you the offer. What do you tell them, give me information on you before this goes any farther? If I like what I hear, I'll do a background check on you and if everything is in order you can call me back in a week to further continue with this phone interview or face to face. I don't think it works that way. As professional job-seekers looking to move toward the next career above unemployment job-seekers are left at the mercy of what would appear and thought of as professionals. They are getting paid to be professionals. Job-seekers are the end product. Do you walk in a department store and pick something up and drop it and break it and walk off and not say anything about it? If you have integrity, and character you follow through and you take your lumps and step up and say oh I dropped it and broke it. You don't sweep things under the rug for convenience or because you are simply to busy hoping no one bothers you.
As disgusting as the job interview I went on earlier in the week and by all means I should have stated to the interviewee that he was simply off his rocker if he thought I would work for what he offered. Being a professional person that I am I thought about everything and took the time to reply to him and state I thanked him for his time and consideration but at this time I didn't feel I was a good fit for what he was offering. It never hurts to make connections and leave connections with your a professional image of ones self. Besides I have integrity, I have character and yes I'm busy also as my time is quite valuable to me, but who knows one day in the distant future I may happen upon this person and they might be my treasures I've been hoping to find. If not what did I actually lose?
Thursday, April 22, 2010
Donald Trump Jr. and Cambridge Who's Who
http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/donald-trump-jr-joins-cambridge-whos-who-as-executive-director-of-global-branding-and-networking-90793174.html
Monday, April 19, 2010
Job-Seeker Anonymous-Has It Turned to Nothing More Than Gambling?
What suggestions can be offered toward looking for a job/career if you're being contacted as a perfect fit but find out by no fault of your own(as a job seeker) that you didn't make the cut or rather continue to never get feedback/communication.
Let me iterate a bit.Let's say you are working with a couple of pro recruiters, or you contact certain HR's, etc.Either way the ones you are working with or ones that happen to contact you; they say "you're just what we're looking for" but you can't find out anything more than, we want to talk to you, you're contacted,some gibberish over the phone,maybe even an interview, you find out nothing and each & every time an instance like this occurs you feel like you're nothing more than a donkey that's being pulled without a rope just to see how far you can be pulled. So, you find new people to work with, the same results. But everyone continues to say "but there's jobs out there, don't let these type results hold you back". If you're always told "you're what we're looking for" but never seem to be the one they want, what might be some ideas to people so they'll quit feeling like a "donkey". Pondering thoughts I think.
I'm a guy that tries to view things from outside the box looking in. I can respect both sides perspective and aggravation,but when you continue to try everything you're told to try, you've spent dollars upon dollars for resume updates, skilled interview transactions, money to interviews, you appear to have the qualifications as stated; no matter what you seem to try you get kicked to the curb; & you're unemployed, & no money coming in; just how much should a person endure?
What exactly is the perfect person that employers are looking for.In that aspect since recruiters represent the employer since they're being paid, it appears to me that there's a lot of donkey's being pulled without ropes, professionals, lay workers,etc. A professional can not get a lay mans(Skilled labor, hourly salary) because they're just to over qualified & employers know one day they'll want to move on so forget being hired or even trying to start over. The professional can't get the professional jobs they apply for because they don't meet the qualifications although they're led to believe they do meet the qualifications. What exactly is the perfect fit? Does each line item that is being requested by the employer/recruiter have to be listed on a person's resume in order to be considered or is there an itty bitty bit of common sense in the playing that says this person has 5 of the top skills this employer wants and the other 2 can easily be acquired?
Everyone has seen it during their years in the working force. People didn't get their experiences from just book knowledge. They learned it on the job. I understand employers don't want to spend training dollars to train someone, but face it, there is no perfect person. Scientist, Doctors, even The President of the United States, are lacking something & is not perfect & will not be the perfect person for everything within a job posting. They will still have to be trained at some point to be efficient in that job/company or typically all the company is getting is a photo copy of the previous employer. The idea is to mold someone to be the culture of the company they are coming to work for not bring habits in from the previous company they worked for. If this isn't true and the perfect person has to reflect being the Holy Grail then there will always be nothing more than a bunch of unemployed people with a world of knowledge that keeps wishing to get feedback & the issues of getting the job force back working will never exist again & everyone will just become do- nothing-ers,and cost the economy even more dollars and put a larger burden on society creating more tax dollars that those are employed will be forced to pay.
Let's face it, commercial after commercial tells you that education is the key to becoming noticed. Upgrade your skills. Resume Companies pump advice like it's dollars being thrown out a window. Recruiters constantly updating their databases and calling people with fictitious jobs or posting fictitious jobs. The average person has become nothing more than a gambler in the job force. Some time in the future we'll probably start seeing billboards that reflect "Are you a career job-seeker with all the relevant requirements to get hired but find yourself hooked? You need Job-Seeker Anonymous. Admittance is the first sign to addiction and getting help. Call today for help. There's millions like you out there and there's people that want to help you"; if you have any money saved that is!
There's just so many spots under the interstate for people to live. How do you become the perfect fit that enables you to become a contributing member of society or end up a collector and contributor to the deficit? How much does a person have to endure to become noticed and quit being a donkey that's pulled without a rope just to see how far you can be pulled?
Let me iterate a bit.Let's say you are working with a couple of pro recruiters, or you contact certain HR's, etc.Either way the ones you are working with or ones that happen to contact you; they say "you're just what we're looking for" but you can't find out anything more than, we want to talk to you, you're contacted,some gibberish over the phone,maybe even an interview, you find out nothing and each & every time an instance like this occurs you feel like you're nothing more than a donkey that's being pulled without a rope just to see how far you can be pulled. So, you find new people to work with, the same results. But everyone continues to say "but there's jobs out there, don't let these type results hold you back". If you're always told "you're what we're looking for" but never seem to be the one they want, what might be some ideas to people so they'll quit feeling like a "donkey". Pondering thoughts I think.
I'm a guy that tries to view things from outside the box looking in. I can respect both sides perspective and aggravation,but when you continue to try everything you're told to try, you've spent dollars upon dollars for resume updates, skilled interview transactions, money to interviews, you appear to have the qualifications as stated; no matter what you seem to try you get kicked to the curb; & you're unemployed, & no money coming in; just how much should a person endure?
What exactly is the perfect person that employers are looking for.In that aspect since recruiters represent the employer since they're being paid, it appears to me that there's a lot of donkey's being pulled without ropes, professionals, lay workers,etc. A professional can not get a lay mans(Skilled labor, hourly salary) because they're just to over qualified & employers know one day they'll want to move on so forget being hired or even trying to start over. The professional can't get the professional jobs they apply for because they don't meet the qualifications although they're led to believe they do meet the qualifications. What exactly is the perfect fit? Does each line item that is being requested by the employer/recruiter have to be listed on a person's resume in order to be considered or is there an itty bitty bit of common sense in the playing that says this person has 5 of the top skills this employer wants and the other 2 can easily be acquired?
Everyone has seen it during their years in the working force. People didn't get their experiences from just book knowledge. They learned it on the job. I understand employers don't want to spend training dollars to train someone, but face it, there is no perfect person. Scientist, Doctors, even The President of the United States, are lacking something & is not perfect & will not be the perfect person for everything within a job posting. They will still have to be trained at some point to be efficient in that job/company or typically all the company is getting is a photo copy of the previous employer. The idea is to mold someone to be the culture of the company they are coming to work for not bring habits in from the previous company they worked for. If this isn't true and the perfect person has to reflect being the Holy Grail then there will always be nothing more than a bunch of unemployed people with a world of knowledge that keeps wishing to get feedback & the issues of getting the job force back working will never exist again & everyone will just become do- nothing-ers,and cost the economy even more dollars and put a larger burden on society creating more tax dollars that those are employed will be forced to pay.
Let's face it, commercial after commercial tells you that education is the key to becoming noticed. Upgrade your skills. Resume Companies pump advice like it's dollars being thrown out a window. Recruiters constantly updating their databases and calling people with fictitious jobs or posting fictitious jobs. The average person has become nothing more than a gambler in the job force. Some time in the future we'll probably start seeing billboards that reflect "Are you a career job-seeker with all the relevant requirements to get hired but find yourself hooked? You need Job-Seeker Anonymous. Admittance is the first sign to addiction and getting help. Call today for help. There's millions like you out there and there's people that want to help you"; if you have any money saved that is!
There's just so many spots under the interstate for people to live. How do you become the perfect fit that enables you to become a contributing member of society or end up a collector and contributor to the deficit? How much does a person have to endure to become noticed and quit being a donkey that's pulled without a rope just to see how far you can be pulled?
Friday, April 16, 2010
Does Being Frustrated or Aggravated on a Post Show a Lack of Professionalism?
Should aggravation and frustration reflect in post venues on how people really feel toward job-seeking and how they're being treated by asking for communication or should it be stifled and kept quiet since prospective employers and recruiters may use the information in judging people?
I would hope and I know it's not always so, that any potential employer just as any potential good recruiter doesn't take the frustration and aggravation that people impose on a discussion as nothing more than what it is. As I've stated in previous posts with all due respect to all those already employed feeding there families, paying their bills; I don't think anything anyone speaks or spoke about is meant directly, but how business is handled.
As a potential interviewee, a potential customer/client in future associations I would think that companies and recruiters would take their jobs quite professional and actually use threads to help them gain the trust of people/customers for use down the road. Particularly a discussion like some threads would be a map for "how do we do business" and "let's focus on being as professional as we can by using this information to make us better or make our company tops amongst the rest" Surveys are sent out by top companies from around the world asking "How are we doing". Well understanding what's being asked, then a thread should say a lot about "How are we doing" and not directly take it out against the people posting the unhappiness.
People are hungry, want to work and as a professional to a professional (companies, recruiters, etc) people want to be treated as professionals and not as cattle. That's not to much to ask. If in short the least people could be told during an initial conversation/interview/contact "Mr Doe, I apologize if you don't hear from me, but because of the present economic downturn our/my office has been completely backlogged so we're unable to answer everyone directly with information about where they stand on this position I'm interviewing you for, but understand that if you are qualified as the next step up toward this position, I will be in contact with you". You're interviewing/ talking to the person anyway, why can't something be respectably stated and the tone toward this particular group may subside knowing that people are now aware and won't be sitting around waiting.
If all the data that fills everyone's mailbox everyday states, follow-up, be persistence, don't you believe these professional societies and/or companies as professionals should show a slight bit of consideration towards professionals, other than a cold shoulder or quit asking for recommendations toward people who might know someone and quit filling mailboxes with bogus information that doesn't work or no one has intention on using?
I'm sure these people including myself on these threads don't want to see anyone fail or fall short of being jobless meaning recruiters also. In turn that's all people are speaking about is a little professionalism from those that have the ability in the positions they are in to show how professional they truly are and show a little compassion.
In concluding, I truly hope whomever reads these threads from the people they are/have interviewed shows a little professionalism and stops and realizes "I'm dealing with a professional and I can understand the frustrations that has built up over time and how much this person I'm interviewing or have interviewed really wants to work and bring his/her professionalism on board".
I would hope and I know it's not always so, that any potential employer just as any potential good recruiter doesn't take the frustration and aggravation that people impose on a discussion as nothing more than what it is. As I've stated in previous posts with all due respect to all those already employed feeding there families, paying their bills; I don't think anything anyone speaks or spoke about is meant directly, but how business is handled.
As a potential interviewee, a potential customer/client in future associations I would think that companies and recruiters would take their jobs quite professional and actually use threads to help them gain the trust of people/customers for use down the road. Particularly a discussion like some threads would be a map for "how do we do business" and "let's focus on being as professional as we can by using this information to make us better or make our company tops amongst the rest" Surveys are sent out by top companies from around the world asking "How are we doing". Well understanding what's being asked, then a thread should say a lot about "How are we doing" and not directly take it out against the people posting the unhappiness.
People are hungry, want to work and as a professional to a professional (companies, recruiters, etc) people want to be treated as professionals and not as cattle. That's not to much to ask. If in short the least people could be told during an initial conversation/interview/contact "Mr Doe, I apologize if you don't hear from me, but because of the present economic downturn our/my office has been completely backlogged so we're unable to answer everyone directly with information about where they stand on this position I'm interviewing you for, but understand that if you are qualified as the next step up toward this position, I will be in contact with you". You're interviewing/ talking to the person anyway, why can't something be respectably stated and the tone toward this particular group may subside knowing that people are now aware and won't be sitting around waiting.
If all the data that fills everyone's mailbox everyday states, follow-up, be persistence, don't you believe these professional societies and/or companies as professionals should show a slight bit of consideration towards professionals, other than a cold shoulder or quit asking for recommendations toward people who might know someone and quit filling mailboxes with bogus information that doesn't work or no one has intention on using?
I'm sure these people including myself on these threads don't want to see anyone fail or fall short of being jobless meaning recruiters also. In turn that's all people are speaking about is a little professionalism from those that have the ability in the positions they are in to show how professional they truly are and show a little compassion.
In concluding, I truly hope whomever reads these threads from the people they are/have interviewed shows a little professionalism and stops and realizes "I'm dealing with a professional and I can understand the frustrations that has built up over time and how much this person I'm interviewing or have interviewed really wants to work and bring his/her professionalism on board".
Tuesday, April 6, 2010
Does being unique have its place in the role of a job-seeker
I don't know anyone's circumstances that make them unique, but for me I would never put myself on a pedestal complaining about poor ole me.It's always stated put yourself in a displaced persons shoes,& then give opinions not just toward the poor ole me job seeker but with respect to recruiters.I don't think majority of people enjoy sitting & talking about themselves in a negative aspect.
It’s been spoken about the negativity shown and how unhealthy it is, but it's a time waster so no one has to face the fact that they should be looking for something. Well, in that same aspect recruiters respond with negativity also. There's nothing positive coming from recruiters or HR's that signifies anything other than people of this status are lousy people persons (not directed at anyone personally, just a generalized statement) and don't like people unless it's the perfect person they obtain the resume from where they don't have to do much leg work because it's all there for them in the resume. Job seekers on the other hand are edgy. It doesn’t make it any easier for the recruiter. As far as for recruiters it just seems to come across when talking with them as they're looking for the perfect resume, the perfect interview, the perfect person, now give me my dollars so I can find the next trophy.In reality I know you have to look for the perfect person for the position you're filling, but it's the smug attitude. However, it literally works both ways actually. No ones happy. But let's face it as humans we are all looking for the perfection that makes our jobs easier.
I see job seekers as sores, I see recruiters as medicine and band-aids applied to sores. There's an epidemic out there and if there's anything I think anyone can get out of a conversation like this; it might be that job seekers look up to recruiters and need their professionalism to help them. If it weren’t for the complaints and the poor ole me syndrome people would already have the perfection in their lives and wouldn't have to turn to the "professionals" to help them cure the sore. Sometimes comments get heated and some probably are taken personal, but consider the job seeker a small baby, and the recruiter the mommy. You get a lot of crying from a small baby, and that's their way of saying I need help from mommy to come running and assist.
I would like to learn more as I continue my bout toward employment how people handle situations to get past the issues of likes and dislikes about job-seekers and recruiters instead of "well, this happened to me". I like solutions.
For myself, I don't seek employment because I need to; I seek it because I enjoy working. That does make me unique. Fishing and cutting grass does get old. Not to mention I didn’t leave my previous job due to economic conditions, I left because of ailing parents and the ability to assist and help out in a situation whereas others had been caring for them and I had to do something to contribute. I agree with in discussions whereas no one owes anyone anything. The me syndrome is definitely prominent in today's society. I personally have talked to 3 recruiters in my lifetime. I’m definitely one of those that seek out the decision maker and follow the path of allowing me to speak with them directly. I’ve been successful in some aspects as well as not so successful in others. I believe we work hard for what we get including the next job. Charm, personality, credentials, professionalism and persistence to me is what gets you noticed.
It’s been spoken about the negativity shown and how unhealthy it is, but it's a time waster so no one has to face the fact that they should be looking for something. Well, in that same aspect recruiters respond with negativity also. There's nothing positive coming from recruiters or HR's that signifies anything other than people of this status are lousy people persons (not directed at anyone personally, just a generalized statement) and don't like people unless it's the perfect person they obtain the resume from where they don't have to do much leg work because it's all there for them in the resume. Job seekers on the other hand are edgy. It doesn’t make it any easier for the recruiter. As far as for recruiters it just seems to come across when talking with them as they're looking for the perfect resume, the perfect interview, the perfect person, now give me my dollars so I can find the next trophy.In reality I know you have to look for the perfect person for the position you're filling, but it's the smug attitude. However, it literally works both ways actually. No ones happy. But let's face it as humans we are all looking for the perfection that makes our jobs easier.
I see job seekers as sores, I see recruiters as medicine and band-aids applied to sores. There's an epidemic out there and if there's anything I think anyone can get out of a conversation like this; it might be that job seekers look up to recruiters and need their professionalism to help them. If it weren’t for the complaints and the poor ole me syndrome people would already have the perfection in their lives and wouldn't have to turn to the "professionals" to help them cure the sore. Sometimes comments get heated and some probably are taken personal, but consider the job seeker a small baby, and the recruiter the mommy. You get a lot of crying from a small baby, and that's their way of saying I need help from mommy to come running and assist.
I would like to learn more as I continue my bout toward employment how people handle situations to get past the issues of likes and dislikes about job-seekers and recruiters instead of "well, this happened to me". I like solutions.
For myself, I don't seek employment because I need to; I seek it because I enjoy working. That does make me unique. Fishing and cutting grass does get old. Not to mention I didn’t leave my previous job due to economic conditions, I left because of ailing parents and the ability to assist and help out in a situation whereas others had been caring for them and I had to do something to contribute. I agree with in discussions whereas no one owes anyone anything. The me syndrome is definitely prominent in today's society. I personally have talked to 3 recruiters in my lifetime. I’m definitely one of those that seek out the decision maker and follow the path of allowing me to speak with them directly. I’ve been successful in some aspects as well as not so successful in others. I believe we work hard for what we get including the next job. Charm, personality, credentials, professionalism and persistence to me is what gets you noticed.
Thursday, April 1, 2010
Has the past taught us anything
In a statement that was brought up in a discussion “people wouldn't be able to find a job without recruiters”. In today's world there may and I say may be some truth in some aspects of that statement, but that would probably be based on the job and the company.
Now don't get me wrong we all have jobs to do and some have more responsibilities than others, but in a world of companies wanting positions that are experienced in best practices, change management, and sustainable metrics how on earth is utilizing a 3rd party for these areas and many more not stated really beneficial.
Best practices as I see it is to quit giving HR departments projects to run in feasibility studies, how do we data archive, what color should the drapes be in John's office, etc. Put the burden back on the department that initially has always been the key to obtaining resumes, researching, and calling references instead of it being delegated to them for them to send out to a 3rd party that cost money when that money could be used to fulfill a needed position. That's best practices. I love technology, I follow technology within my given spectrum, but if all it does is confuse the issue and boggles the brain and is not very beneficial to the bottom line of the organization how can it be considered "best practices"?
Secondly, change management. Can you say the practice of farming out such an activity is really advantageous to change management? The old adage of KISS... Keep it simple stupid does have it's upside. Is this really a simplistic matter to go through ever so much of aggravation and discontent between recruiters and job-seekers? One can only assume when the anger occurs from a company toward recruiters and vice-verse how temperamental it becomes. It use to be cheaper to pay temp hires to come in and do HR's filing and leg work while HR initially reviewed resumes and passed them on to hiring managers. But companies have reduced that role from $9.00 and hour to a 25% or more cost value to use outside sources whereas if HR was properly doing their job or properly staffed with the significant experience to review and interview for the positions one could only imagine how much could be saved. The HR groups could be vital parts and a major contributor to the process instead of losing these funds to outside sources and gain back the respect that everyone so dislikes about HR’s nowadays. Outside sourcing is it really change management and really how cost effective is it? Train your people on the inside and let them do the remarkable work they were hired to do.
Thirdly and finally, sustainable metrics? In this context, the resolution for identifying improvements or rather, improving the quality of life. Is this really an improvement over what has taken place for centuries? Let's face it getting down to the bare metal of things; the wheel has already been invented. Why does the business world need another body to fulfill what initially was given to a department to perform. Was it that difficult? If the people you've hired in the HR departments can't understand the positions being asked to fill and we continue to hear the stories of 3rd party gatekeepers who have no knowledge of the terminology the company seeks how can this be an improvement in the quality of business.
I personally believe we’ve gotten relaxed in the business world. We use company funds to play golf, eat hardy lunches and sleep behind our desk and create wonderful attractive graphs that someone will use to tell us what departments aren’t doing their jobs causing outsourcing remedies. But yet we continue to pile on the projects that no one else wants to do on these what could be viable departments and just give the money away to those that are more than happy they’ve been given the opportunity to become part of the mix.
This is by no means an insult or meant as disrespect to recruiters, HR or HH’s. I realize the world has got more complicated with technology, but to say the least does the simplest task have to have chemistry labs next to them to get answers? It really makes no sense from a business standpoint. Maybe that’s why we’re paying Top Executives in major companies billions of dollars in bonuses for not doing their jobs, because we’ve gotten to complex!
Pondering thoughts!
Now don't get me wrong we all have jobs to do and some have more responsibilities than others, but in a world of companies wanting positions that are experienced in best practices, change management, and sustainable metrics how on earth is utilizing a 3rd party for these areas and many more not stated really beneficial.
Best practices as I see it is to quit giving HR departments projects to run in feasibility studies, how do we data archive, what color should the drapes be in John's office, etc. Put the burden back on the department that initially has always been the key to obtaining resumes, researching, and calling references instead of it being delegated to them for them to send out to a 3rd party that cost money when that money could be used to fulfill a needed position. That's best practices. I love technology, I follow technology within my given spectrum, but if all it does is confuse the issue and boggles the brain and is not very beneficial to the bottom line of the organization how can it be considered "best practices"?
Secondly, change management. Can you say the practice of farming out such an activity is really advantageous to change management? The old adage of KISS... Keep it simple stupid does have it's upside. Is this really a simplistic matter to go through ever so much of aggravation and discontent between recruiters and job-seekers? One can only assume when the anger occurs from a company toward recruiters and vice-verse how temperamental it becomes. It use to be cheaper to pay temp hires to come in and do HR's filing and leg work while HR initially reviewed resumes and passed them on to hiring managers. But companies have reduced that role from $9.00 and hour to a 25% or more cost value to use outside sources whereas if HR was properly doing their job or properly staffed with the significant experience to review and interview for the positions one could only imagine how much could be saved. The HR groups could be vital parts and a major contributor to the process instead of losing these funds to outside sources and gain back the respect that everyone so dislikes about HR’s nowadays. Outside sourcing is it really change management and really how cost effective is it? Train your people on the inside and let them do the remarkable work they were hired to do.
Thirdly and finally, sustainable metrics? In this context, the resolution for identifying improvements or rather, improving the quality of life. Is this really an improvement over what has taken place for centuries? Let's face it getting down to the bare metal of things; the wheel has already been invented. Why does the business world need another body to fulfill what initially was given to a department to perform. Was it that difficult? If the people you've hired in the HR departments can't understand the positions being asked to fill and we continue to hear the stories of 3rd party gatekeepers who have no knowledge of the terminology the company seeks how can this be an improvement in the quality of business.
I personally believe we’ve gotten relaxed in the business world. We use company funds to play golf, eat hardy lunches and sleep behind our desk and create wonderful attractive graphs that someone will use to tell us what departments aren’t doing their jobs causing outsourcing remedies. But yet we continue to pile on the projects that no one else wants to do on these what could be viable departments and just give the money away to those that are more than happy they’ve been given the opportunity to become part of the mix.
This is by no means an insult or meant as disrespect to recruiters, HR or HH’s. I realize the world has got more complicated with technology, but to say the least does the simplest task have to have chemistry labs next to them to get answers? It really makes no sense from a business standpoint. Maybe that’s why we’re paying Top Executives in major companies billions of dollars in bonuses for not doing their jobs, because we’ve gotten to complex!
Pondering thoughts!
What do we really know
In my thoughts I think a lot of recruiters and some HR people really don't know the jobs they enlisted to fill. So I don’t offend anyone, I didn’t say everyone!! I said a lot of and some. Anyone can read a description and match word for word, but what happen to finding the skilled candidate. Do people really sit and read resumes anymore or do they just let the computer dial up keywords.
I recently received a plug from a recruiter for a job I had years of experience in. However on the description it clearly stated PHD and a level 3 certs was required. Now the certs weren’t hard to obtain based on the qualifications but what was this guy thinking sending me the post for the job requiring a PHD? I said what the heck I have the experience why not give it a shot. I sent it in and they received it. I followed up and the Recruiter replied. The 2 major requirements were the PHD and the Level 3 certs. He stated I don't see it anywhere on your resume. DUH! I knew that. That's why I scratched my head in wonderment why he sent it to me to begin with. I guess I’m at fault because I should have initially just ignored the invite to send my resume in, but I simply thought that maybe with the experience at hand I might prevail.That was the only response I received. This simply told me that some don't bother reading resumes.
I realize there's a lot to read and go through. I've been there, done that. But what recruiters, headhunters and HR peeps may be missing is the old adage of a diamond in the rough. The ole saying that a computer is only as good as the information being put in. In this case extracted. They may just be missing out on a fine cut diamond in all the mix if they're not reading and physically doing some work instead of allowing electronics to persevere. I love my electronics and we all depend on them, but let's face it, sometimes the wheel has been invented and some still have no clue how to make it roll.
I like to think recruiters are no different than I am.I wake in the morning trying to fulfill my day. As stated this relates to some,not all.I have a time-line; a calendar system to follow in order to be successful. I drink my coffee;I eat my lunch;I even cook for the elderly so the ones I take care of have something to eat. My principals are no different than when I was employed.I followed a strategic mindset.Unlike the statistics of the average job-seeker spends 12 minutes a day looking for a job. I do feel like an exception to these statistics as I'm sure many do.I spend the rest of my day which can easily be 8 to 13 hours searching through approx.18 sites,physically reading, personalizing resumes, emailing, following up etc.I guess I could use the sites that guarantees they will send your resume to 87 sites for you freeing your time to watch Oprah, Judge Judy, but I like to know where my resume is going,who may be receiving it; what company I'm interested in working for. This in itself weeds out who I'm not interested in talking to. As a recruiter I would hope there are those that better fit the qualifications of recruiting by doing the same. Physically sorting reading trying to make the appropriate resumes fit the positions. I would hope those that fit the position know the important points for the job they're looking for applicants to fill. How many times (I can attest to it) the recruiter sent me computer listings that was contacted before even knowing anything about the individual that they quickly qualified as a potential applicant only to find out when they came in; the only words I can relate to was "You have to be kidding!"
You can't beat personalization.As a recruiter you also have the ability to weed out people you don't want to consider if you did the reading, research,etc.I've seen it also, hurry to talk to the cute secretary, time to play a round of golf, oh I have to leave early, time to read the news online. No wonder it takes so long to get through 300 resumes that's coming in. Honest day's work for honest day salary? hmm.. No wonder expenses are so high for so many companies. Everything does have its place.
Job-hunting is turning into the same game as everything else. I use to watch installers do jobs just to hurry up; get the check.Worry about the issues later when they come up. Now a days it doesn't matter how much experience you have; the dedication; input you've put into a job in order to use it down the road in a better position or a top company, people are just filling jobs just to get that check because the right keywords were used. As I was told by one interviewer that I truly enjoyed his take.He questioned but the relationship he made during the interview was something to appreciate.He was a headhunter, but he did his homework; knew what he was looking for,I could tell he actually read the resume. Although I didn't make the cut due to lacking one feature that was noticed during the discussion,I can honestly say this is how I would expect a recruiter to act. He stated I have to do a good job because I don't get paid until you get hired. But despite that statement, he covered the bases making me feel like I was a classic case knowing that his reading my resume and talking with me he could tell I was dedicated, wanting to work, honest, had integrity and a professional at what I did.If personalization was key many diamonds may be found that have otherwise been kicked back into the dirt.Can a database pull this information out or would you have not picked up on this unless it was a keyword? I follow technology, I believe in change, but some things you really have to question and wonder if it's really worth the time and effort. I agree with a co-writer that whether it's Attorneys, politicians, mechanics, real estate brokers... it applies equally to everyone. No-one owes anyone anything,but the ability to show people a little dignity, honesty and personalization will far outreach any technology we're using today or possibly even the future.
I recently received a plug from a recruiter for a job I had years of experience in. However on the description it clearly stated PHD and a level 3 certs was required. Now the certs weren’t hard to obtain based on the qualifications but what was this guy thinking sending me the post for the job requiring a PHD? I said what the heck I have the experience why not give it a shot. I sent it in and they received it. I followed up and the Recruiter replied. The 2 major requirements were the PHD and the Level 3 certs. He stated I don't see it anywhere on your resume. DUH! I knew that. That's why I scratched my head in wonderment why he sent it to me to begin with. I guess I’m at fault because I should have initially just ignored the invite to send my resume in, but I simply thought that maybe with the experience at hand I might prevail.That was the only response I received. This simply told me that some don't bother reading resumes.
I realize there's a lot to read and go through. I've been there, done that. But what recruiters, headhunters and HR peeps may be missing is the old adage of a diamond in the rough. The ole saying that a computer is only as good as the information being put in. In this case extracted. They may just be missing out on a fine cut diamond in all the mix if they're not reading and physically doing some work instead of allowing electronics to persevere. I love my electronics and we all depend on them, but let's face it, sometimes the wheel has been invented and some still have no clue how to make it roll.
I like to think recruiters are no different than I am.I wake in the morning trying to fulfill my day. As stated this relates to some,not all.I have a time-line; a calendar system to follow in order to be successful. I drink my coffee;I eat my lunch;I even cook for the elderly so the ones I take care of have something to eat. My principals are no different than when I was employed.I followed a strategic mindset.Unlike the statistics of the average job-seeker spends 12 minutes a day looking for a job. I do feel like an exception to these statistics as I'm sure many do.I spend the rest of my day which can easily be 8 to 13 hours searching through approx.18 sites,physically reading, personalizing resumes, emailing, following up etc.I guess I could use the sites that guarantees they will send your resume to 87 sites for you freeing your time to watch Oprah, Judge Judy, but I like to know where my resume is going,who may be receiving it; what company I'm interested in working for. This in itself weeds out who I'm not interested in talking to. As a recruiter I would hope there are those that better fit the qualifications of recruiting by doing the same. Physically sorting reading trying to make the appropriate resumes fit the positions. I would hope those that fit the position know the important points for the job they're looking for applicants to fill. How many times (I can attest to it) the recruiter sent me computer listings that was contacted before even knowing anything about the individual that they quickly qualified as a potential applicant only to find out when they came in; the only words I can relate to was "You have to be kidding!"
You can't beat personalization.As a recruiter you also have the ability to weed out people you don't want to consider if you did the reading, research,etc.I've seen it also, hurry to talk to the cute secretary, time to play a round of golf, oh I have to leave early, time to read the news online. No wonder it takes so long to get through 300 resumes that's coming in. Honest day's work for honest day salary? hmm.. No wonder expenses are so high for so many companies. Everything does have its place.
Job-hunting is turning into the same game as everything else. I use to watch installers do jobs just to hurry up; get the check.Worry about the issues later when they come up. Now a days it doesn't matter how much experience you have; the dedication; input you've put into a job in order to use it down the road in a better position or a top company, people are just filling jobs just to get that check because the right keywords were used. As I was told by one interviewer that I truly enjoyed his take.He questioned but the relationship he made during the interview was something to appreciate.He was a headhunter, but he did his homework; knew what he was looking for,I could tell he actually read the resume. Although I didn't make the cut due to lacking one feature that was noticed during the discussion,I can honestly say this is how I would expect a recruiter to act. He stated I have to do a good job because I don't get paid until you get hired. But despite that statement, he covered the bases making me feel like I was a classic case knowing that his reading my resume and talking with me he could tell I was dedicated, wanting to work, honest, had integrity and a professional at what I did.If personalization was key many diamonds may be found that have otherwise been kicked back into the dirt.Can a database pull this information out or would you have not picked up on this unless it was a keyword? I follow technology, I believe in change, but some things you really have to question and wonder if it's really worth the time and effort. I agree with a co-writer that whether it's Attorneys, politicians, mechanics, real estate brokers... it applies equally to everyone. No-one owes anyone anything,but the ability to show people a little dignity, honesty and personalization will far outreach any technology we're using today or possibly even the future.
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